tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post1036973544245522596..comments2017-04-16T10:54:29.926-04:00Comments on Stefan Molyneux Revealed: A defoo storyEdmund Burkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14382918660870366357noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-31673652927077570692016-10-18T15:48:32.497-04:002016-10-18T15:48:32.497-04:00I recently discovered Molyneux&#39;s work and alth...I recently discovered Molyneux&#39;s work and although I appreciated his delivery on politics, in anything else he comes across as extremely unbalanced and disturbing. He is ultimately a hypocrite, promulgating the behavior of what he criticizes in liberals: careless thinking, irrational use of logic, extreme generalizations and promoting the use of labels like feminism in a hateful way. I feel sorry for his wife. This is what he transmits whether he knows it or not: I couldn&#39;t get laid in high school and I blame all women.<br /><br />I feel sorry for anyone who clings to his words for healing because they will get nowhere. He can&#39;t show someone how to heal because he&#39;s so sick in the head himself.Whatevhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15744416476788403171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-75358696574625097612016-02-11T20:40:56.558-05:002016-02-11T20:40:56.558-05:00Yes, that&#39;s what i was thinking myself, all th...Yes, that&#39;s what i was thinking myself, all the signs appear to be there.<br /><br />I have only recently been listening to him, and found him interesting, but i feel a tension while watching, i&#39;ve only seen around 3 to 4 videos, and am shocked to find all this out!<br /><br />This is very chilling, and deeply upsetting to read of the amount of heartbreak this man has caused! Jackienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-17047616230365047162016-02-07T20:44:25.690-05:002016-02-07T20:44:25.690-05:00Thanks for your website. I am a mid-30s new dad wh...Thanks for your website. I am a mid-30s new dad who has a tendency to find gurus (Rand, Castaneda, Passio, Molyneux) with an anarchist bent. I was half-heartedly considering cutting off a statist friend when I found your site. Part of me thinks that promoting virtue does require strong action like cutting off friends and family members to send a message. But if we don&#39;t possess enough knowledge to change hearts and minds through communication, then our attachment to an idea is just belief, exactly what these people would criticize. I do think the defoo has an important place in breaking up authoritarian parenting, but like any tool, it can certainly be abused as well. &quot;No method, no teacher, no guru&quot; is a good balancer to anyone&#39;s attachment to a single person or idea. <br /><br />For full disclosure I am a donator to S/M, as I have found value in his peaceful parenting series and his histories of important world events and people. I find the passion and work he puts into speaking his message powerful and inspiring. But I&#39;m not going to defoo because my parents made me go to church, or even because they circumcised me (which I agree with S/M is awful and could be considered real violent abuse). My parents did a great deal of good for me as well, and those out there considering the defoo should take that into account also.Chrishttp://www.bluebeltlife.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-35435895883120972822015-07-18T14:46:30.290-04:002015-07-18T14:46:30.290-04:00I have been watching Molyneux for a while, for my ...I have been watching Molyneux for a while, for my own reasons that I don&#39;t want to get into, and after viewing the many videos of him that he has published (an in no way all of them...which would be near impossible) I have concluded that he might possibly have some kind of multiple personality disorder. One personality is quite logical and sane sounding. This is when he speaks about the Political climate in the world and many of the issues surrounding Liberty. While I don&#39;t think he is original in anything (he always takes his ideas from others), he is really good with verbal communications, and therefore can explain what might be difficult concepts to some people in an orderly and understanding way. If he stayed on this path, he would have gained a larger audience and one that would have respected him more.<br /><br />However, he also has another personality that even changes the way he looks. This is where he uses studies and &quot;evidence&quot; showing which races are more superior intellectually, or the many videos where he rants relentlessly against women. This is a guy that states that all evil comes from women and goes on to explain this with a straight face. How a woman can allow her little girl to remain in the house with this woman-hater is beyond my comprehension, except we have listened to Christina tell Stefan &quot;tell them what I&#39;m feeling&quot;...which shows he has already completed his brainwashing on her. Sad, though, that they have a little girl in the house while Stefan rants on with every derogatory female directed term in his videos. His eyes get so vacant when he gets like this. <br /><br />I find this man totally creepy and his wife is horrible for being a &quot;psychologist&quot; while being so obviously brainwashed by this man. He got her isolated from her family. This is first sign of abuser.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-4142316746618175062015-01-23T18:19:30.244-05:002015-01-23T18:19:30.244-05:00Yes, it&#39;s really happening. My son is 25 year...Yes, it&#39;s really happening. My son is 25 years old. He&#39;s been going through the fdr transformation for the last couple of years and he&#39;s sent out a severance email to his mom and cut off all communications with her. He rarely communicates with me now and he just sent me a text that he wants to be left alone so that he can sort things out. In the past he&#39;s sent me emails bordering on extortion, i.e., if I do certain things for him, then he will keep me in his life. Discussions about his fdr training go no where and aren&#39;t really discussions at all. I&#39;ve apologized for mistakes during his childhood but that&#39;s not enough. I think he wants &quot;reparations&quot;. His last &quot;demand&quot; email hinted as much. His mom and I split up when he was young and she went through several toxic relationships which my son witnessed. My son lived with me, but there was one school year in which he had an &quot;opportunity&quot; to be taught by his grandmother (my mom) who was a second grade teacher. I let my parents persuade me to let my son come live with them for that year. The bottom line is that my son felt abandoned by both his parents. I did not realize it at the time. But we recently discussed it at length and I apologized and admitted that it was a mistake. His other grievances toward me have been more generalized such as spanking. Well, I agreed with him that there are better ways to discipline, or that is what I was saying, but I&#39;m not sure he agrees that any form of child discipline is appropriate. I resisted the temptation to argue with him and took responsibility for my &quot;bad&quot; parenting. That doesn&#39;t seem to be enough, though.<br /><br />The sad thing is that my son has always been an excellent student and he did finish undergraduate school and law school, but close to the end of law school he became confused by moly/fdr thinking that he could not stay true to &quot;his&quot; beliefs while working in the legal field. I&#39;m not sure whether he intentionally tanked the bar exam, but he&#39;s always been a great test taker.<br /><br />So, now he&#39;s sitting around &quot;sorting things out&quot; while living off a large sum that his grandfather (my dad) gave him at law school graduation and cutting all his family out of his life. The more I type, the more I wonder whether the moly/fdr propaganda has been a cover for my son to do whatever he wants until his money runs out. The whole situation has me confused and angry. I haven&#39;t expressed my anger to my son. He uses all those fdr buzz words and I&#39;ve been afraid I&#39;d push him away. He&#39;s a smart young man, maybe a little naive, but I thought he could see through this moly guy&#39;s bs. Now, the real world in no way mirrors my son&#39;s &quot;beliefs&quot;. I don&#39;t know how he&#39;s going to function in the real world when he runs out of money. (Yeah, I know. I tried to get my dad to dole out the money a little at a time after certain milestones - graduation, pass the bar, first job.) My son didn&#39;t know he had a problem until somebody told him he had a problem and it&#39;s his family. He used to be smart, funny and musically gifted. Now he seems brooding and unhappy. He talks as if he really can replace his family with a new one. His closest friend now is some dude from Belgium who is in the US on a visa and is very active in fdr. His roommate is this friend&#39;s girlfriend. She has attended an fdr school, apparently. My son is in pretty deep by all objective signs, but I still find it hard to believe he&#39;s been duped by moly. That&#39;s on me, I guess. I&#39;m not sure what the next step is. His mom hasn&#39;t heard from since August. She called the police in his area and asked them to do a wellness check on him. To my surprise, they did and reported back that he appeared fine. I thanked his mom and texted him that I was pleased to at least get a report that he &quot;appeared fine&quot;. That&#39;s where we are now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-43465900881770025472014-12-30T13:41:49.781-05:002014-12-30T13:41:49.781-05:00I have been talking to my 24year old son about thi...I have been talking to my 24year old son about this guy for the past year or so...we have argued many of his points.. he seems to think he has had this horrible life. it was not perfect, but he was loved very much as were his brother and sister. they are all still love very much! He has criticized me for his up bringing repeatedly.. I have said am sorry for so many things but have always said.. I did the best I could do with what I had. he continually says that&#39;s a cop out I should have done more. The longer he listens to this guy the more hurtful he becomes.. He cut ties with his brother and sister saying they only care about themselves. Which is not true. They have tried to talk with him but he continues to say they are not smart enough to understand. we all are stupid in his eyes an unable to or willing to try to understand his way of thinking... again not true!! I am losing my son to this new way of thinking an am scared to death.. I have always encouraged them to think for themselves... but he is not! he is listening to this guy and I have no idea how to reason with him. he twist everything I say anymore. am I crazy or is this really happening?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-67005938316949874272014-11-25T09:26:06.370-05:002014-11-25T09:26:06.370-05:00Time has now shown us that M. Molyneux is a cult l...Time has now shown us that M. Molyneux is a cult leader. Let us hope that his methods are revealed and publicized for what they are before he becomes a religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-47393816575899457022014-07-21T01:11:31.914-04:002014-07-21T01:11:31.914-04:00Edmund, any update on the situation with your son?...Edmund, any update on the situation with your son? I&#39;m a Dad too, though of a 4yo boy, so not quite ready for these deep discussions. I can tell though that you seem to be a very involved and concerned Dad. I can only imagine how it must feel to have been manipulated and then to be completely cut off from your son. I wouldn&#39;t stop at anything to correct that situation. I hope you son comes around to the reality of the situation soon if he has not already.<br /><br />Interestingly I found your blog searching for &quot;DeFOO&quot; since I didn&#39;t know what it was and in a recent youtube posting he was talking to someone about it as if everyone should know. I felt a little funny once I found out what it was as the caller seemed to be at least part of the problem, alcohol problems, denial kind of thing too. I was also surprised when he probed deeply into the families of his first caller and her boyfriend too... Now that I&#39;ve read your posting and these comments I&#39;m more than curious.<br /><br />I&#39;ve been following PM for a while and agree with a lot of his ideas and assessments I have seen his tendency to be overly direct, definitive and dismissive. I also noticed he is a little intellectually dishonest for example when quoting negative stats about women, for example on abuse or tendency to cheat he only gives the stats for women and not for men which would likely be pretty close for most of the stats. The opinion I have so far is that he means well but likely projects much of his childhood pain on others. I&#39;m no psychologist either so I&#39;m not sure, just an opinion based on my observations so far.<br /><br />Obviously you&#39;ve had a much more personal experience with him. I was hoping to listen to the podcast that you were on so I could learn more about your situation from the perspective of analyzing Stefan and broadening my perspective on him. Do you have any information on it so I might try to locate it?<br /><br />Best of luck breaking through with your son. I&#39;d like to extend that same sentiment to the rest of the parents on here, and children too for that matter. I think family is never perfect, and some probably really are not worth the investment, but sometimes it just takes work. One thing I learned growing up that was profound to me is that my parents are just people too. We look to them like Gods but they have the same frailties as we do and make mistakes too. They should be granted at least a fraction of the patience they likely extended to all of us whether or not they were a perfect parent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-78693518762618205862014-02-04T10:34:00.045-05:002014-02-04T10:34:00.045-05:00Wow! This is unsettling! I hardly ever watch Molyn...Wow! This is unsettling! I hardly ever watch Molyneux&#39;s hour+ call-in videos. But when I have, found it confusing how he would have such *long*<br />bizaar conversations with young men who were so obviously ill equipped to converse or even contribute. I think, &quot;how can he suffer fools like this, how generous&quot; But then take note of how roughly he is treating them. Then seemingly completely out of contexts asks them about their upbringing. <br /><br />Through this &#39;defoo for profit&#39; perspective many of those &quot;conversations&quot; take a disturbing but better framed understanding. <br /><br />Reading all of what&#39;s here has been making me very uneasy about all the Molyneux posts/videos i&#39;ve shared over about the past year. Yikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16994866957889660586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-5338399938712823912014-02-04T10:33:36.932-05:002014-02-04T10:33:36.932-05:00Wow! This is unsettling! I hardly ever watch Molyn...Wow! This is unsettling! I hardly ever watch Molyneux&#39;s hour+ call-in videos. But when I have, found it confusing how he would have such *long*<br />bizaar conversations with young men who were so obviously ill equipped to converse or even contribute. I think, &quot;how can he suffer fools like this, how generous&quot; But then take note of how roughly he is treating them. Then seemingly completely out of contexts asks them about their upbringing. <br /><br />Through this &#39;defoo for profit&#39; perspective many of those &quot;conversations&quot; take a disturbing but better framed understanding. <br /><br />Reading all of what&#39;s here has been making me very uneasy about all the Molyneux posts/videos i&#39;ve shared over about the past year. Yikeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16994866957889660586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-48382321311616373462013-12-16T09:34:49.416-05:002013-12-16T09:34:49.416-05:00Stefan has many of the traits of a psychopath. And...Stefan has many of the traits of a psychopath. And reading through your article, it seems like you notice many of these traits but never call him out for what he is, a psychopath. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-59090439869494787872013-12-06T22:47:02.559-05:002013-12-06T22:47:02.559-05:00Our son listens to this man. I have listened to hi...Our son listens to this man. I have listened to his tapes, You tubes. He is clearly a narcissist, a cult leader and very evil and misguided. He no more cares about the young men mainly that he is wooing in and defooing than a stranger. He wants their money. He is a bully.He comes across smooth and charming and confident. He has a distorted past and so does his wife. These two are the epidomy of CULT LEADERS. I pray for each and every parent who is going through this brainwashing this evil man does. He divides families and encourages broken relationships. Stephan is a fraud and a lier. He hates good and promotes evil. He is a hypocrite- he is all for freedom, free will and as soon as he finds someone is a Christian , he rips them apart with hatred. Wow- what happened to the smooth and charming charismatic Stephan? Prayers to all who are dealing with this evil cult leader and praying your sons come back home. DMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-11608579044553329712013-12-04T18:19:21.512-05:002013-12-04T18:19:21.512-05:00My son was the sweetest, funniest, most lovable pe...My son was the sweetest, funniest, most lovable person just months ago. He used to tell me that he loved me very often and told me how much he appreciated what I have done for him. He moved to Colorado and has undergone the worst transformation. I know that I have been a wonderful mother, not perfect, of course but extremely giving and caring. He deFooed his sister, my sweet fiance and me a month ago and now is completely isolated and angry and cruel. Molyneux convinced him that I abandoned him as a child by going to work. <br /> His roommate is going to have him removed because he is being violent and verbally abusive. The defooing has been traumatic to all, but mostly to him. I feel like I can&#39;t undo the horrible damage that Molyneux has inflicted. Could someone give me hope that my sweet son will see the light instead of the black hole of hate that Molyneux expects his followers to embrace.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-45785910884350667512013-10-25T19:18:51.490-04:002013-10-25T19:18:51.490-04:00We are just going through this ourselves. Our son...We are just going through this ourselves. Our son moved to another country and changed his e-mail and phone number. I think that if we tried to find him that he would refuse to see us. I would appreciate any suggestions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-29066625398276609482013-07-29T04:01:24.972-04:002013-07-29T04:01:24.972-04:00Unfortunately, I have lost both of my children to ...Unfortunately, I have lost both of my children to this...one brought the other in to this wave of destruction. They are both depressed and confused and there is a definite feeling of isolation. I&#39;m very concerned for their emotional well-being and I&#39;m completely distraught. I can only hope that they both come back eventually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-46954834861898367462012-10-01T11:09:43.838-04:002012-10-01T11:09:43.838-04:00Edmund, I guess I can only say that the first time...Edmund, I guess I can only say that the first time I heard of the concept, I was horrified. You have to hope that in raising your child, you have instilled familial bonds and values to the point that they won&#39;t be tempted by satanic doctrine. <br /><br />Did Objectivism value family bonds as much as say, Christianity? Perhaps there is some insight there, as to why your son left.<br /><br />Lastly, having multiple children could help prevent such as this. I had a twin brother that disappeared for a while, not connected to Molyneaux. We found him, shamed him, and (not physically) dragged his ass back. He came to his senses. He is in prison now though...(for old crimes, they have a way of coming back). But he is a better person today with true understanding.<br /><br />Note I am not criticizing, as I know nothing of your family situation. But your complaints echo my father&#39;s when he complains of his often-gone mentally imbalanced son (my elder brother), who blames college in the Ivy League for brainwashing him. Those classes certainly do brainwash, but I went through a similar college experience and yet resisted the propaganda every step of the way. My father refused to look at his two divorces and his son&#39;s terrible childhood during ex-spousal infighting as a cause for his problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-76750924475660407462012-05-30T03:01:31.235-04:002012-05-30T03:01:31.235-04:00yes my son is homeyes my son is homeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-68170691307385735582012-05-30T03:00:33.322-04:002012-05-30T03:00:33.322-04:00A little over 4 years ago I was living this traged...A little over 4 years ago I was living this tragedy, My son had defooed it took us almost a year to realize what happened. Thankfully thru the internet we were able to know he was alive and maybe what city he was in. Last /summer we had a private investigator locate him and deliver a letter only to have are hopes crushed, when he didn&#39;t contact us. The last month an email &quot;can I come home?&quot; after are yes answer another 3 weeks with no contact. Then a phone call, we arranged a plain ticket and he was home the next day. He did say he was sorry . We haven&#39;t dwelt on it, he has admitted his mistake. He Realized Stepf was a fraud. We have a loving son back, I pray soon you will too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-46665722604248099282012-04-11T09:41:16.373-04:002012-04-11T09:41:16.373-04:00Do please see my comment just above yours here. I...Do please see my comment just above yours here. It seems you are working through your issues in your own way. At 35, you are past the age of young adult individuation. This is where Moly does his damage. You have enough life experience to see through his shtick and realize he is doing the same thing an over reaching parent does. You also point out quite well, that parent/child relationships do go on. Thank you for visiting. Here&#39;s hoping you and your parents find your way to a lasting relationship that works for both of you.Edmund Burkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14382918660870366357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-17080267346449796592012-04-11T05:55:07.976-04:002012-04-11T05:55:07.976-04:00I&#39;m in therapy and it raised a lot of issues. ...I&#39;m in therapy and it raised a lot of issues. I decided that while I was going through therapy I needed some time out from my parents and told them I would not be talking to them for 90 days and would call them every month just to check in. My mother doesn&#39;t get it. I called her after 30 days and she attacked me, told me I had changed, I had been brainwashed by religion, I had trashed my family. I came away from the call misunderstood and diminished. My father was more understanding, he said he just wanted my happiness and would hope we would one day have a relationship. I left the call feeling like he treated me like an adult. If my parents where to show up at my home or place of work after making this decision I too would fe terrified. Why? Because they blatantly disrespected my decision. I would ask, &quot;What do they want from me, my soul?&quot; I agree that its tempting to replace one brain washing with another, that of Molyneux, religion or a relationship with that of your parents. It doesn&#39;t take away the fact that at some point in your life, I think its important to individuate. Parents do not realise how important an influence they have on their kids. Since I stopped talking to my parents, yes I feel cruel, but man do I feel free. I am making decisions I never thought would be possible. I studied a degree at uni to please my parents, almost flunked out and resented them. Now I am in a job I have grown to like but am considering going back to Uni to do an MA in something I feel truly passionate about. If I was still doign daily or 2x weekly calls with my mother, I would mention this to her and she would opine on it and influence me. And it would piss me off because I wouldn&#39;t know if I was then doing it/not doing it to rebel or to comply. Once you have individuated and it can take months or years (my therapist took 10 years and now he loves his mother and she means the world to him) you can reengage with proper boundaries. I know what my parents are going through is painful, I also know they are not responsible for my feelings and neither am I for theirs. We all have the right to main our own choices. We all have the right to freedom. I hope one day to have a relationship with my parents based on respect and boundaries. I think this may be possible with my father. I am not sure about my mother because she prefers to see me as a toddler right now than as an indepedent 35 year old. And to the extent engaging with her causes me a desire to revert back into that role or pain because I can only react like a robot with rigid boundaries because of my perception of her lack of respect for me then its better not to engage. In 30 days I will send them a postcard, not call, because honestly I don&#39;t feel good about someone, anyone, be it Moly or my parents trying to tell me to be someone I am not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-58606276192494519142012-02-28T00:26:09.212-05:002012-02-28T00:26:09.212-05:00agreedagreedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-25634383359268831092012-01-26T10:06:10.604-05:002012-01-26T10:06:10.604-05:00I have written quite a few times in the course of ...I have written quite a few times in the course of this blog that there are a lot of circumstances where young adults and parents reach states where there is a break. it is an unfortunate aspect of humanity. There is enormous tension at this stage. Parents want to protect their children but they know they have a duty to &#39;release&#39; their kids to the world. The young adult wants the freedom but has apprehension about their future and loss of security. These dynamincs are volatile enough. In your case, the divorce makes it so much worse. In the course of time, family usually finds their way through the troubles and tumult. You are trying hard to navigate those waters in your family. For that, you have my admiration. You are doing the right thing. Keep at it gently and persistently. <br />Of course, Moly and Christina are constantly on the lookout for the chance to encourage family unrest. They want to retard any chance for a family to heal. They have the perfect solution. Break forever and be done with it. Find your true self. Be free. And be sure to make the monthly contribution.Edmund Burkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14382918660870366357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-12057678604255401312012-01-26T02:16:36.980-05:002012-01-26T02:16:36.980-05:00Let me take advantage of your allowing anonymity a...Let me take advantage of your allowing anonymity and say more. This dafooing thing is very horrifying to me because I know that embittered sons and daughters do that in that age, guru or no guru. My parents had a bitter divorce when I was 18 and my sister 17 (Moly&#39;s favourite target age). My sister was so indoctrinated by my mother that she shut down for years all contact with my father, who had quickly remarried and had other kids. I was seen by my mom and sister as the one who &quot;side with my father&quot; because I wanted to maintain a relationship with everybody, even though my mom was always threatening to shun me (things got worse when I married - she got terribly jealous of my wife). <br /><br />Somehow, for some crazy reason I was asked to &quot;choose&quot; either mom or dad. I tried to explain to my sister she didnt have to pick one, to no avail, until she changed her mind on her own and eventually reconciled with my dad, and I am always giving my mom the opportunity to come back and just have a normal relationship with us, without clinging to the past with bitterness. <br /><br />So my family history is one of fighting dafoo. Not letting my sister do it, not giving my mom the excuse to do it to me. It was all very painful, because my mom treats my wife horribly, and has only seen her granddaughter once. But lets have perspective: who is suffering more? My mother hurt me emotionally, but he is my mother, for God&#39;s sake, and I know that she is the one who has more pain. My father got rather unavailable with his new family, but who should get more attention, the son in his 20s or the two small children? Aren&#39;t his two sons from a new wife my brothers? We don&#39;t see each other often, but I spent some time with him and his new family recently, and enjoyed a lot. <br /><br />Bottomline is, can&#39;t we all just get along? Stop this dafooing thing? Try to find some good in everyone? Forgive, as we would like to be forgiven? If I say that family, like all human affairs, is a messy thing - is that wishfulthing, or plain realism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-65268216329899206252012-01-26T01:48:55.588-05:002012-01-26T01:48:55.588-05:00My heart goes out to you, dude, that is all I can ...My heart goes out to you, dude, that is all I can say. Your story made a deep impression on me, and I will be thinking about it for some time.<br /><br />By the way, I DID find the audios of the defoo podcasts (a reader of yours gave the tip in a comment to another post). I didn&#39;t have the patience to hear them entirely (not being a libertarian myself, I find Moly boring, no disrespect to libertarians intended) but I did notice something very interesting. He begins the podcast trashing people who &quot;partly agree&quot; with him, and says they are just doing it as a defense and out of fear (that&#39;s BEFORE the subject of family comes up). In his relaxed mode, he is actually saying he is angry and disapproving at those half-hearted fans. In the most friendly tone of voice he is telling the listeners to think like him in every single point! Or else they are suppressing their &quot;true self&quot;, yadda yadda. &quot;Suppressing their true self&quot;... the echoes of L. Ron Hubbard and Gurdjieff abound. I am sure he studied those mad gurus - the fantasy is too similar to be a coincidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7515274855900925482.post-57358173773923184092012-01-25T22:45:27.725-05:002012-01-25T22:45:27.725-05:00The discipline charges against the wife did cause ...The discipline charges against the wife did cause a big clean out of the site. That has to be a good thing. My son and I had endless discussions on objectivist and libertarian philsosphy. Once he got to college, he came to be better read than me and was filling me in. I specifically remember him telling me about Murray Rothbard. Yes I know, I should have known of Rothbard. Sorry. <br />When Moly was interviewing me by phone, my son walked into the room. He had a smile a mile wide. His two biggest heros were talking together. I commented about this to Moly and chuckled. Moly didn&#39;t. Little did I know that Moly was doing his due dilligence so he could use what I told him against me. He got me good. About six months later, my son defoo&#39;ed. You really can&#39;t believe it could happen to anyone until it happens to you. And then you still can&#39;t believe it. Creepy is not a bad word to describe the whole FDR, Molyneux thing.Edmund Burkehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14382918660870366357noreply@blogger.com